Board Thread:Survivor 33: Tibet/@comment-24.233.74.159-20180713134358

Ok so hey guys sorry for the delay it’s been a busy week.

So first off I just wanna throw it out there that my vote is very much up in the air, but not because I think you guys played a close game or anything — it’s merely because I genuinely think there’s a chance that JP wins unanimously and I don’t think he deserves that. I’m just gonna be perfectly frank: the way this merge started out, we could’ve had two very strong players at the end. I honestly think this is probably one of the weakest combos there is. Nothing against you two personally, I love both of you, but from a strictly game perspective? If there’s a strong strategic final 2 it shouldn’t be you guys, and I think that both of you might’ve lost to anyone left in the final 6.

First of all, Liam. If I were just an outside observer reading these speeches, I would say you should win. That’s a phenomenon that happened for two reasons: first, you put in more effort than JP, and second, because your speeches are almost entirely BS. Even in your response to Pory you say that it isn’t BS, and that we can’t understand your rationale because you didn’t explain it to us in game. No, it’s not about your rationale. Your rationale could be perfectly sound. It’s about the fact that you’re saying you did stuff that pretty much everyone agrees you didn’t do. For one reason or another, the stuff you say gets called out. And it’s not just that you’re lying, some of the stuff you say just comes off as straight up naive and unaware. My first example of this is in your ROP, when you say Jenna had the best move of the pre merge by flying UTR when she secretly had the idol the whole time. Um, no, I gave it to her and it was probably the worst move of the pre merge, just from me saving someone who didn’t even know the difference between hosts and players a week into the game. And this isn’t me trying to take credit for something, I’m just pointing out that this is one thing that you acted like you knew about but in reality was much bigger than that. Another time where you acted kind of naive in your jury speeches is when you said that you and I had this close relationship that you were using to your advantage or whatever. If I were to rank my relationships (which I’m gonna have you do later) I would’ve honestly put you close to the bottom. We talked socially a bunch but not enough to create a real connection. We hardly talked strategically (even though you said in your ROP for me that we talked strategically a ton) and both times we did talk strategically (my boot and Tyler’s boot) it was because I needed a number, and one of the times you ended up leaking to Seamus and basically harpooning my game. So no, we didn’t have that close of a strategic partnership, stop that! And I know this has already been pointed out but no, you’re not the reason I’m gone, and no, you’re not the reason Vincent is gone. But that stuff has been done to death and I’m not gonna beat a dead horse. Overall, I think most of your speeches either show that you’re trying to BS us or that you genuinely don’t know what’s going on in the game. My last thing is that based on your speeches it seems like most of your post merge game is based on that f11 rocks tribal, and to me that doesn’t indicate good gameplay, that indicates that you didn’t have good reasons to vote people off and you had to come up with good reasons to vote people off. You can’t use reasons based on things that happened 3 rounds before to justify saving massive threats like Seamus at the final 8.

Now onto JP. JP, I don’t know what you’re doing here. When you came in it looked like a shoe in victory, but you kinda shot yourself in the foot a little bit. The first thing that’s been really bothering me is the fact that you said your social game was trash and your strategic game was what really shone. I’m sorry, what? From my perspective (and I could be wrong) you seemed like a player who was almost exclusively playing socially. You had some moments of strategic brilliance along the way, but that seemed to me like icing on the social cake. I have two instances that stick out, the first being at the Tyler vote. I basically came to you with something like two hours left before the vote on a whim and said “hey wanna vote Tyler?” And you were literally just like “yeah sure.” I legitimately thought to myself like, wow, JP will really just go with the flow if you tell him the votes are there. JP, if your ally was about to go home and you knew about it, but knew there was a solid majority against them, I don’t think you’d try to flip someone, I think you’d jump on board and vote WITH them. So that’s a weird thing, especially for someone who says their strategic aspect is the strongest part of their game. Oh, damn, I almost forgot the second instance. The second instance was after the Pory boot and that whole fiasco where Big Z and Seamus were tearing me apart in Operation Pig Snout. You were sitting there, talking to me in PMs, very chill. And that’s not a bad thing, in fact it elevated you in terms of my perception of you. You saw that I thought Seamus and Big Z were being completely irrational and you responded accordingly. You put yourself up as the person who was calm and collected while the other two wanted to burn my house down. And that’s a good thing! But it’s a social thing, not a strategic one. So I guess one of the main things I wanna say is that you DID have a social game, and in my opinion it outweighed your strategic game, like, massively. Overall, I thought you were someone who wasn’t really capable of making a move on their own and who also either didn’t realize that they were playing an almost strictly social game.

Ok, so now onto your questions. I have a couple individual ones and two for the both Of you.

Liam:

Explain to me again how you yourself caused Vincent and I to go home. Keep in mind that I’m gonna be asking people on the jury to verify this stuff. You can keep this brief, because you’ve talked about it a lot. I don’t want to hear why it helped you or why it made sense for you. I want to hear how YOU did it.

JP:

I mentioned a hypothetical in my speech where I said you probably wouldn’t save an ally if their back was up against the wall, and that you couldn’t have even if you tried. So I wanna give you a hypothetical: say at F8 I actually did have the five votes I thought I did, and I was voting for Big Z. Would you jump on board my plan, or would you try to flip one or two people? Also, who are you gonna flip?

Also, do you admit now that you played more of a social game, because if you truly think your game was more strategic then from my perspective... YIKES. And if you still think your social was bad I’m gonna need examples of parts where your strategic game excelled.

FOR BOTH OF YOU:

Rank my relationships with everyone remaining in the game at 8:59 AM, one minute before votes were due at the final 8. Include yourselves. I don’t need a rationale, just rank em. If you use a rationale, I’m gonna be like wtf you’re a hardo. Also, please rank your relationships at that point in the game. REMEMBER THIS IS JUST WITH PEOPLE IN THE FINAL 8.

Second question: how likely do you think you are to get my vote? THIS IS WHERE I WANT DETAILS. On a scale from 1-10, with one being “holy shit if I get Marty’s vote I’d be fucking shocked” and ten being “I think Marty accidentally voted for the wrong person.” Explain WHY you think this is the case. And don’t try to hype yourself up, I’m not gonna think it’s bold if you say that it’s a 10 when in reality it’s a 3. I’m also not gonna think it’s humble if you say it’s a 1 when it’s really an 8. But if you can legitimately justify WHY you think it is that number, I’ll be happy, even if you’re wrong. Remember, this is where I want most of the details.

Thanks guys! Thanks for a really fun season!!!! 